PROGS vs. PUNKS

LIKE ME, you've probably spent a lot of time wondering how songs from the prog-rock era compare to songs from the punk-rock era. After all, punk rock is said to have sprung up partly as a reaction to prog rock's excesses (overblown, classically inspired organ solos; Tolkien-takes-a-bad-trip cover art). And most prog rockers couldn't have looked too fondly on punks (two-and-a-half-chord songs; safety pins).

UNLIKE ME, you're probably not OCD enough to devise needlessly elaborate schemes to provide semi-clear answers to these kinds of pseudoscientific inquiries. (Bully for you.) But you can still taste the fruits of my labor.

OBVIOUSLY, we want to compare representative samples of both prog and punk. I figure the best way to do that is to lean on the good folks at Rhino Records, who know a thing or two about putting together box sets that exemplify the breadth and depth of particular styles of music. So we'll compare the tracks in Supernatural Fairy Tales: The Progressive Rock Era and No Thanks! The '70s Punk Rebellion. (You could argue about Rhino's song choices all day, but do it somewhere else: Ain't nobody here got time for that.) You ready? Buckle up, and let's get going.

BOX-SET COVER ART

PUNKS:

no thanks!

PROGS:

supernatural fairy tales

ADVANTAGE:

PUNKS, because I said so. I mean, I like crazy airbrushed fantasy depictions of enchanted, dragon-laden ice-forest realms as much as the next guy, but come on: LOOK AT THAT KID.

PROGS: 0 PUNKS: 1

YEARS SPANNED

year range

PUNKS:
1973-1980

PROGS:
1967-1975

ADVANTAGE:

PROGS, for a slightly greater longevity.

PROGS: 1 PUNKS: 1

AVERAGE SONG LENGTH

sex and drugs and rock and roll

PUNKS:
3 minutes 4.2 seconds

Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll
by Ian Dury & The Blockheads (3:04, 1978)

mummy was an asteroid...

PROGS:
6 minutes 9.4 seconds

Mummy Was An Asteroid, Daddy Was A Small Non-Stick Kitchen Utensil
by Quiet Sun (6:10, 1978)

ADVANTAGE:

TIE. The waveform for the Quiet Sun song looks more interesting than the one for the Ian Dury song — you know, more dynamics and what have you — but then again, the very nearly rectangular waveform for the Ian Dury song shows you that it's gonna grab you from the get-go and never turn loose (no peaks and valleys here, kids.) As for the songs themselves, I like the song "Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll" more than I like "Mummy Was An Asteroid, Daddy Was A Small Non-Stick Kitchen Utensil," but then again, as song titles go, "Mummy Was An Asteroid..." is hard to beat.

PROGS: 2 PUNKS: 2

MAXIMUM SONG LENGTH

karn evil 9 little johnny jewel

PUNKS:
7 minutes 6 seconds

Little Johnny Jewel
by Television (7:06, 1978)

PROGS:
13 minutes 22 seconds

Karn Evil 9: First Impression, Parts 1 And 2
by Emerson, Lake & Palmer (13:22, 1978)

ADVANTAGE:

There are no winners here. Seven minutes of punk is at least four minutes too many. (Feel like Television isn't punk? Take It up with Rhino.) And I can think of a few things that would be worse to endure for thirteen and a half minutes than this ELP song, but I hope none of those things happen to me today. No points awarded.

PROGS: 2 PUNKS: 2

MINIMUM SONG LENGTH

wasted

PUNKS:
51 seconds

Wasted
by Black Flag (:51, 1978)

war

PROGS:
2 minutes 27 seconds

War
by Henry Cow And Slapp Happy (2:27, 1978)

ADVANTAGE:

PUNKS. Hard to beat getting in and out in 51 seconds. (Henry Cow and Slapp Happy did manage to write a prog song that's almost the exact ideal pop-song length, so honorable mention for that, I guess.)

PROGS: 2 PUNKS: 3

MEDIAN SONG LENGTH

ready steady go

PUNKS:
2 minutes 58 seconds

Ready Steady Go
by Generation X (2:58, 1978)

mummy was an asteroid...

PROGS:
6 minutes 10 seconds

Mummy Was An Asteroid, Daddy Was A Small Non-Stick Kitchen Utensil
by Quiet Sun (6:10, 1978)

ADVANTAGE:

Meh. No bragging rights here, just some mildly interesting statistics. No points awarded; let's move on.

PROGS: 2 PUNKS: 3

TOTAL RUNNING TIME

run time

PUNKS:
5 hours 7 minutes 12 seconds (100 songs)

PROGS:
5 hours 26 minutes (53 songs)

ADVANTAGE:

PUNKS. Hey kids, give me your money. You can have either 53 songs or 100 songs. But I still get the money.

PROGS: 2 PUNKS: 4

3 MOST AWESOME BAND NAMES

PUNKS:
The Damned
Dead Kennedys
The Germs

PROGS:
Atomic Rooster
Strawbs
Wishbone Ash

ADVANTAGE:

PROGS. I love ya, punks, but you never thought of a band name as awesome as Atomic Rooster.

PROGS: 3 PUNKS: 4

3 MOST AWESOME SONG TITLES

PUNKS:
Blitzkrieg Bop (Ramones, 1978)
Gary Gilmore's Eyes (The Adverts, 1978)
Love Comes In Spurts (Richard Hell And The Voidoids, 1978)

PROGS:
Repent Walpurgis (Procol Harum, 1978)
Star Palace Of The Somber Warrior (Seventh Wave, 1978)
Mummy Was An Asteroid, Daddy Was A Small Non-Stick Kitchen Utensil (Quiet Sun, 1978)

ADVANTAGE:

TIE. There are no losers here.

PROGS: 4 PUNKS: 5

10 MOST EMBLEMATIC SONG TITLES

PUNKS:
Blank Generation (Richard Hell And The Voidoids, 1978)
Boredom (The Buzzcocks, 1978)
Born To Lose (Johnny Thunders And The Heartbreakers, 1978)
Search And Destroy (Iggy And The Stooges, 1978)
Teenage Depression (Eddie And The Hotrods, 1978)
Teenage Kicks (The Undertones, 1978)
Trash (New York Dolls, 1978)
Wasted (Black Flag, 1978)
We're Desperate (X, 1978)
What Do I Get (The Buzzcocks, 1978)

PROGS:
Dancing With The Moonlit Knight (Genesis, 1978)
Hocus Pocus (Focus, 1978)
In The Land Of Grey And Pink (Caravan, 1978)
Karn Evil 9: 1st Impression, Parts 1 & 2 (Emerson, Lake & Palmer, 1978)
Lothlorien (Argent, 1978)
Private Sorrow/Balloon Burning (The Pretty Things, 1978)
Prophet/Marvelry Skimmer (Wigwam, 1978)
Siberian Khatru (Yes, 1978)
Star Palace Of The Sombre Warrior (Seventh Wave, 1978)
Repent Walpurgis (Procol Harum, 1978)

ADVANTAGE:

There are no winners here. All y'all really need to lighten up a little. No points awarded.

PROGS: 4 PUNKS: 5

PUNK BAND NAMES THAT SOUND LIKE PROG BAND NAMES (AND VICE VERSA)

PUNKS:
Mink DeVille
Pere Ubu

PROGS:
Lard Free
The Pretty Things

ADVANTAGE:

TIE. These prog names are pretty damn punky, and vice versa.

PROGS: 5 PUNKS: 6

UMLAUTS

PUNKS:
California Über Alles (Dead Kennedys, 1978)

PROGS:
Mozambique (Amon Düül II, 1978)
Tröller Tanz (Ghost Dance) (Magma, 1978)

ADVANTAGE:

PROGS, by two umlauts.

PROGS: 6 PUNKS: 6

DAMN, Y'ALL. IT'S A TIE.